RS-68 Selling Stuff?

[Specialx]

Try this: Exclude anything with wheels.

Now consider just one thing; Vehicle, any and all vehicles.

We will add any item to the list of "vehicles" if it follows the law and it is used for transportation.

A bicycle powered by a human that is used to carry messages for payment, should be considered a vehicle, however since it was specifically excluded, we cannot.

Now a 100 hp motorcycle. Is it used for profit? If so, it is a vehicle. If not, ACCORDING TO THE LAW, it is not a vehicle and no registration or Drivers license is required


Listen to the lawyer B.S. at the end of the video.

No evidence? No license, no license plate, no insurance. You believe that there was no evidence?

Start this video at 0:50

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ROTFLMAO....

NOW you are completely switching gears....
First you were describing statutes pertaining to licensing and now you're bringing up the "right to travel"

You must know that, that is a foolhearty attempt.

You can look at it this way...
You may have the right to travel unimpeded by the government but, the government does have the right to regulate such things.
In the case of driving without insurance, sure you can do that but if you get stopped and they give you a ticket you have to pay it (eventually) and in that way they regulate it. If at that point you don't pay it, they have a right to hold you in contempt of a court order and lock you up or whatever the agreed upon reparation is.

You might as well just go the route that there really is no such thing as government or states OR fictitious/strawman names OR the idea that just because you're physically located in a "state" there's no legal ground for them to have jurisdiction over you, because they can't give "facts" that the laws do apply OR the other myriad/hundreds of attempts that people use to try to skirt around the law because THEY don't agree with it, although the other 95% of the population does.

The right to travel argument has been beaten to death, time and time again... And in 99.9999999% of those cases, that "argument" has failed to hold up in every court in the land.
Just because some backwards town has let someone get away with the right to travel argument (which we don't REALLY know, IF that was the deciding factor), that doesn't make it true or correct for everywhere else.
(I have a strange feeling that the "real" reason for his win had nothing to do with the "right to travel" argument.

Just my .02 / opinion.

P.S. At least NOW in Florida there is a procedure setup to allow those who want to register their (gas) bikes as mopeds and not have to worry about the ramifications of not doing that. And yes, I know that doesn't help the people that don't have licenses, but at least they still have the option of an electric bicycle... Not anyone's fault, but those who did whatever it was that allowed their driving privileges to be rescinded...

I'm happy I'm in a state that allows electric bicycle usage without the need of a license. There are states that don't allow that. And even other states that don't allow their usage at all, even if you have a drivers license.

 

[boyntonstu]

What is the name of the company that hired you to be their driver?

In Law, dictionary definitions do not apply.

What is DRIVER?

http://thelawdictionary.org/driver/

One employed in conducting a coach, carriage, wagon, or other vehicle,with horses, mules, or other animals, or a bicycle, tricycle, or motor car, though not a street railroad car. See Davis v. Petrinovich, 112 Ala. 654, 21 South. 344, 36 L. R. A.615; Gen. St. Conn. 1902,

Law Dictionary: What is DRIVER? definition of DRIVER (Black's Law Dictionary)


If what you are doing is not defined by law, it is absolutely lawful.

Perhaps you find it funny, but the law defines exactly what a Driver is.

Do you drive? Yes when speaking informally to your friends, no when asked by the law (unless you are paid to be a Driver).

 

[Specialx]

Again, you are using the right travel argument.....
Doesn't hold up in court...
Black's Law dictionary ONLY holds true, IF the definition of a word is NOT introduced in a Statute..

You'll notice that nowhere does it say "driveR" (those 6 letters only) directly, UNLESS talking about commercial activities... You'll also notice that they say "driver license" and not "driver" license.

The reason for that is clear, when you realize they are using the term "driver license" as an allegory to operators license in the US code. And you'll see that in the US code it states an INDIVIDUAL and NOT "driver"

(17) "Driver license" means a certificate that, subject to all other requirements of law, authorizes an individual to drive a motor vehicle and denotes an operator's license as defined in 49 U.S.C. s. 30301.

49 U.S.C. 30301 defines a 'operator's license' to mean a license issued by a State authorizing an individual to operate a motor vehicle on public streets, roads, or highways. Thus, under the literal wording of the statute, only State-issued licenses or certificates are encompassed by the definition of 'driver's license

 

[darwin]

Anyone else feel like we're sitting in a law 101 class? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

 

[boyntonstu]

Anyone else feel like we're sitting in a law 101 class? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

You finally passed the engine 101 class. Congratulations!

Now Law 101.

Is the word "Transportation" used in your state Motor Vehicle regulations?

If so, are you involved in Transportation? Yes or no?

 

[darwin]

Don't know haven't looked lately, sounds like a maybe though.

 

[boyntonstu]

Don't know haven't looked lately, sounds like a maybe though.

Please reply with facts or with on topic questions.

Thank you.

 

[Gene]

RS 68 is the greatest development for motorized bicycles. Simply put it keeps riders legal and it clears up all of the issues that existed before. If you need a receipt for the bike get someone to write you a bill of sale for a used bike and include the serial number. If you need a receipt for your motor do the same. After all you had to buy it from some one. Same goes for the lights. OR get a receipt for a USED motorized bike fully equipped to pass RS 68 requirements. ONE RECEIPT. And stop complaining it is not the end of Freedom in America.

 

[Specialx]

Anyone else feel like we're sitting in a law 101 class? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

I've never been to a class on law, I just use basic/normal logic.. (I know, sometimes in law that basic/normal logic prolly goes out the window..)

Sometimes you have to show the basics...

The right to travel argument has been beaten to death... It's been tried many times before and has always failed.

I'm no lawyer and it took me all of 5 min searching the web to answer the drive/driver problem. I'm sure actual lawyers can dispute just anything that's attempted with the right to travel argument....

Bottom line...
There was a grey area in Florida and now there isn't. So those that were using the "Gray" area, can't use it anymore, so they have to start trying different avenues....

Needless to say, it's quite clear what Florida law is now on motorized bikes, both gas and electric.

 

[boyntonstu]

Go back to the basics.

Does the Definition of a "Motor Vehicle" require it to be involved in "Transportation"?

Chapter 320
MOTOR VEHICLE LICENSES

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320.01 Definitions, general.—As used in the Florida Statutes, except as otherwise provided, the term:
(1) “Motor vehicle” means:
(a) An automobile, motorcycle, truck, trailer, semitrailer, truck tractor and semitrailer combination, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state, used to transport persons or property, and propelled by power other than muscular power,

What does "transport persons or property" mean?

Do you transport persons or property on a motorized bicycle?

If yes, your motorized bicycle is a "Motor Vehicle" and the Statute requires registration for it and licensing for you.

This is very clear.

But what if your motorized bicycle does not transport persons or property?

Does it need to be registered? If you say yes, why?

What does transport mean?

An example: Abstract: —Any motor vehicle designed for carrying more than 10 passengers and used for the transportation of persons and any motor vehicle, other than a taxicab, designed and used for the transportation of persons for compensation. —Any person who drives or is in actual physical control of a vehicle on a highway or who is exercising control of a vehicle or steering a vehicle being towed by a motor vehicle. —Any person who is in actual physical control of a motor vehicle upon the highway, or who is ...

When you operate your motorized bicycle are you compensated?

Under the Statutes does a motorized bicycle qualify as a "Motor Vehicle" ?

If a motorized bicycle is not considered to be a "Motor Vehicle" how does RS68 apply?

You see, RS68 assumes that your motorized bicycle is being used to transport for compensation.

Read the Statute slowly and carefully, it is very clear and easy to understand.