GEBE 35 cc put on an Industrial Tricycle (x-tra heavy duty)

Discussion in 'Motorized Trikes' started by bamabikeguy, Mar 27, 2007.

  1. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    July update: GEBE 35cc WorkmanTrike vs. Staton35ccWMproject

    The Workman Cycles web pages take a bit of navigation, these are "built to specification tri and bicycles", take a few weeks for delivery.

    http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/movers.html

    Other bicycle models are here:

    http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/indbikes.html

    The one I worked with for "Gene" is a PAV-3. (3 speed).

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    Specifications Gene made were changing the wheels, to a 24 inch front and 2-26 inch rears. Standard tires were a heavy duty Kevlar type, the inner tube was alson industrial.

    However, he had a bit of overkill on the spokes, 12 gauge or .10 mm are more than enough, I'm thinking these were 10 g., requiring me to bore a little wider at the spoke ring notch, to get the ring snapped on.

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    Since I doubt I build many of these (unless he sells them to pizza delivery people or Hawaiin rental units like he is thinking about) I'll let the pix do the talking, take any questions you may have.....

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    Fancy flag. He put a handicap type setup on the rear of his van, said it got hit twice by passersby. Fortunately, never got hit with the bike aboard.

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    The Initial ride, trying to make "action shots"

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    Notes: 35 cc is the MINIMUM engine size I would use on a trike, but it had no trouble pulling the trike and Gene up the neighborhood hills.

    The front wheel has a parking brake setup, and the wheel/cable is simply switched around, from left to right, no special tools or consideration needed.

    The spoke ring, after snapping it on, barely touched the fork, so I wrapped that small area with tape, squeezed a slight crimp with my adjustable/lock wrench, it didn't take very much to get an acceptable clearance of 1/8 of an inch.

    DRY FIT everything, the torque strap required about 1/4 inch grinding down to fit under the motor rack, and we drilled a hole in the front fork reflector mount, turned out to be the very best arrangement.

    The ride was very comfortable due to the seat, but I don't see a trike setup like this hitting full speed, roads are too bumpy for that.

    20 MPH is a breeze however, it was probably doing 25 on that hill in the collage, he claimed it was doing 30 on the downhill run.

    It spins out on grass.

    All in all, Yes, a 300 pound person could deliver pizzas, a 250 pound person could pull a small trailer. 35cc is perfect for the application, and that seat is <NICE>

    And I don't think you would get away with calling it a Hover-round and cruising the grocery aisles.
     

  2. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    March 26, 2007 install.


    (CAN you believe 86 degrees in MARCH?)

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    Will it pull a 250 pound man up a hill?

    Yes.
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    Does it have Pizza Delivery potential?
    Again, yes. I think the thing can have a roof and windshield when it all get's said and done......


    More detailed pix are in Rack em Up, here:

    http://www.motoredbikes.com/viewtopic.php?t=975

    (note to self: if the above link doesn't work, the link below does, because 1 edit changes the t=ref number)

    http://www.motoredbikes.com/viewtopic.php?p=8007#8007
     
  3. Torques

    Torques Guest

    Not to be picky but it is 33.5 cc's.
     
  4. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    I started buying Golden Eagle engines in 2005, and as things developed, like changes in the belt/gear and engine sizes, I correlate the sizes of the engines to the weights of the riders, small, medium and large.

    So as Dennis tweaks the engines along the way, my poor memory just holds the number he gave me originally, not the one he finally settled on. 25 35 and 40 are also the easiest way for potential customers of mine to compare performances.

    I tried one 40, it was more than I needed, and so Gene's was the first mid-sized engine I've actually worked on, and wish he left it here so I could have broken in the engine for him.
     
  5. Bill Snow

    Bill Snow Guest

    Looks like biking comfort.

    I too have a Golden Eagle engine mounted on a bike like you have in the back ground. I have never seen one mounted on a trike but good Idea. How does it handle with the engine mounted on the front wheel?

    I did do something a little different awhile back. Mounted a Golden Eagle engine on a long wheel base recumbent bike with under seat steering. Now that was a kick, being so low to the ground and nothing in front of you except a front wheel and narrow,low frame. When I wound that thing up it felt like I was flying low. These motorized bicycles are more fun, there seems to be no limit what a person can do with these things.

    Neat setup.


    Bill Snow
    Lynchburg, Virginia
     
  6. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Hey Bill,

    What I really wished is Gene left the trike up here for me to put fifty "break in" miles on.

    I followed the trike for about a 15 mile round trip in the neighborhood, Gene never got it up to 25 mph. He says that is going to be his top speed anyway.

    Then I took it out for another 15 miles, these are my observations.

    That trike, with that lawnmower type seat, is really nice, and 20-25 mph is fine. Higher speed, especially on rural roads make the front "jump" a bit. So there is NO taking it "easy", you have to concentrate on the task, both hands on the controls.

    It would work on a recumbent trike fine. I just am not sure about the trikes with regular saddles, it just doesn't seem as comfortable/reliable/safe. You would be higher off the ground on one of those tricycles that tool around plants.

    Here is what I do, if "balance" was a concern.

    My bikeshop showed me a extra heavy duty "training wheel", a heavy gauged metal with a superior looking tire. I've used that once, for a 70 y.o. knee surgery patient, mounted it on the chain side of the rear wheel.

    That little bit of confidence builder, with a short adjustment time, allows him to hit top speeds in the thirties. It also costs about $500-600 less, those Worksmen bikes are expensive.

    So, I would say that trike would be very suitable for somebody just tooling around town, but NOT for extended out of town touring.

    PS. Post some pix down in Rack em Up, finally some GEBE'r s coming in, and you can help us answer questions !!
     
  7. Bill Snow

    Bill Snow Guest

    Yes, some of those lightweight recumbent trikes really look slick and I agree that a Golden Eagle kit on one would do very well. I have put a couple of pictures of other bikes I have on this gallery (Schwinn/70cc and Black Phantom/Whizzer ). I may hold off putting the Golden Eagle picture on, I don't want anyone to think I'm a show off and trying to hog the picture gallery.

    The pictures certainly add a lot to this forum of which I really enjoy.

    Good to here what you had to say about the triike. Thanks.

    Bill Snow
     
  8. philcred

    philcred Guest

    love it

    i need a trike .
    well done exellent work.
     
  9. DougC

    DougC Guest

    I have a upright Worksman bike I just ordered, how big is the front wheel of that trike? Is it a 20-inch?

    When I was first eyeballing the frame with regards to getting the spoke ring on (and the frame-bending that this would require) just out of curiosity I checked to see if the spoke ring wouldn't also fit on the front wheel. The wheels I have are both 26", and I have the front drumbrake also--and the spokes were WAY off the spoke ring slots. Did you have to cut new slots, or did it fit on as-is?

    I got the ring on mine by the way, but I had to bend the frame and cut new spoke slots to do it, and I will also have to cut a slot in the fender for the belt.... Over the next couple days I should have time to get it all together.
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  10. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Gene custom sized the wheels on his trike, 24" in front and 26"ers in the back.

    They are all that heavy 10 gauge.

    btw: he calls about once a month, is have a great time tooling around B'ham, and has taken it to Atlanta and Tampa with that custom ramp rig he built on the back of his van.
     
  11. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    I was going to put this post under the Stanton topic/RackEm, but didn't know about the flamewar (happened while I was traveling in May...)

    srdavo and haggard have thankfully volunteered to consult on this next project, so there is no muss, fuss or learning curve, I'll post as we go along.

    I built the Velo trike for Joe, who has joined the forum, loves the wind in his face fun we enjoy, has a powder blue bike on my carport for his wife Janet.

    Joe did a lot of research about trikes, and has picked a Workman PAV3, with 24" seat height being THE important consideration. Haggard is going to put that research in a "MOTHER OF ALL TRIKE KNOWLEDGE POST", sumpthin like 200 pics AND reviews.

    So, first question is "Anybody have a PAV3 laying around the house?"


    As I am a pure GEBE veteran, any special tools I need?

    I'll do all my superduper tire/tube work, but I don't even own a drimel or chaincutter.... :???:
     
  12. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    After 10 minutes I gave up trying to import the pic, so heres the durn link: :evil:

    http://www.staton-inc.com/Details.asp?ProductID=3200

    That's what we want her to look like, and at the end of the project we'll recap the cost, compared to Staton's kit and kaboodle price.



    Anybody ever price the whole works?
     
  13. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    To the interested folks who pm'd me. THANKS and acknowledged.... 8) 8) 8)

    I was hoping one of the trike folks would post ALL the trike info we have accumulated maybe in "Bikes/engines...."

    I am tech challenged thanks to poor dialup connection, ever since I shot my phone line at Christmas, things haven't been up to par.. :???:

    http://www.motoredbikes.com/viewtopic.php?t=311

    (btw 54 more kids born since 6/27-but it's starting to taper off)

    If I send a note, respond to the e-mail so I can foward Joe's huge peice of trike research.
     
  14. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Our project has doubled, and my customers, Joe and Dave have ordered identical PAV3's.

    The upgrades to the tires alone should make these tricycles the "Hummers" of motor assisted transportation.

    I spoke to Wayne at Worksman yesterday, who was VERY helpful, personally getting the two seperate orders tied together for production and shipping, and expediting the timeframe to possible 5 weeks.

    http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/pav3.html

    Also last week I spoke to Dave Staton, also very helpful. His website has a picture of a PAV3 with his 4 cycle R/S mounted.

    But, based on his recommendations, our two trikes are going to use remote 96 oz. fuel tanks, attached in the baskets, for easier fillup and longer range capability.

    These trikes may do the entire Natchez Trace and Blue Ridge Parkways from what I understand.

    http://www.staton-inc.com/Details.asp?ProductID=3200

    By the way, this project is also research for Joe and Dave, who are forming an AMBUC's chapter in Jefferson County. Ambucs provides trikes to disabled kids, and it may be a worthy charity for seperate MB.com members to assist... here's their link, check it out:

    http://ambucs.org
     

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  15. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    if you have your friends contact tom, i think he'd be more than happy to include that fine .org on our links page 8)
     
  16. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    August 23 update:

    This isn't a rant, just an observation.

    Worksman and Staton both know I'm going to post these installs on MB.com, because the potential for tri-cycle installs will increase as gas prices rise.

    Worksman expedited my order for the two PAV3's, cutting maybe two or three weeks off the downtime.

    However, I've sent two short e-mails to Staton 10 days apart, a reply would seem to be a simple thing. I use bank certified checks, and there has been no acknowledgement of reciept.

    Yesterday I repeated my request for shipping information, and a seperate instruction sheet for PAV3 installation, because the engines are going to Birmingham, not here.

    No response.

    I'll call Dave Staton today, but like I said, a simple reply to an e-mail would have been so much simpler. I know the engines were in stock when we talked initially, the first and only conversation.

    If those trikes arrive before the engines, I'm going to be mildly irritated.

    These engine companies/suppliers may one day realize that ranting about service on MB.com won't benefit them.

    Customers rule, in my book.
     
  17. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    Well, save me a phone call, everything is back to co-pacetic....

     
  18. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    These trikes were supposed to arrive 2 weekends ago.....forget about having any MB.influence, ordering nearly $2,500 worth of transport....

    Joe wrote today:

    Worksman Tricycle division is the snail of the industrial world, in my humble opinion.
     
  19. DougC

    DougC Guest

    That makes two...

    I ordered a bike from them, the ship estimate was 30-35 days and it took about 58 days to ship. The Worksmans are generally nice (heavy-duty) and don't cost a lot for what you get but do seem to take a while to arrive.

    Back when I was waiting for mine I asked on a newsgroup if the long ship times were normal and of the few people who had Worksmans and responded, they'd all bought them used at industrial surplus sales. Not one had ordered one new, and they didn't know anything about the delivery times.
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