Australian legislation/regulations/ADRs

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by HybriPed, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    Thread to explore regulatory framework for Motorized Bikes in Australia
     

  2. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    Australian regulatory agencies together with the Australian Bicycle Council have been working to review legislation affecting power-assisted bicycles.

    In Australia, the motor vehicle regulatory framework has the effect of prohibiting motorized cycles except bicycles with power-assist to 200 watts, conventional motorcycles and mopeds.

    We'll have an on-line forum chat about it on-line Thursday 15-Jan-09 from 9:00 pm Eastern Australia Time and see what comes out of it. Visit social group "Australian legal/regulation/ADR interest group"

    If you are interested in participating, take a look at the HybriPed website

    Cheers, Greg
     
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  3. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    right place?9pm?

    is this where the discussion will take place?
     
  4. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    Sure is - great you could make it
     
  5. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    I've been riding a 2-stroke to work for 18 months. So far I've been lucky, but I must say that I'm uncomfortable every time the police pass by.

    I'd like to see the issue sorted out.

    I'm in Hobart, and it is not feasible to cycle everywhere. You've simply got to have assistance or take a car or scooter if you've got one.

    How about you?
     
  6. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    I'm in Adelaide...and did get pulled over...and my drivers licence details entered in police puter ..so next pull over will come thru on check that been officially cautioned...ie directly to court
     
  7. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    do you have any communication via internet programs like ventrilo or teamspeak?
     
  8. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    Do you think that the police in Adelaide are toughening up? Were you doing anything to draw attention to yourself (wheel stands, 100 kph etc etc)
     
  9. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    What's that. I'm new to this stuff. Sounds like I'd better check it out.
     
  10. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    32kph though officer said 39.. nope was just running in my engine
    he had done some work on subject and on calling traffic section they are using as as rough guide 30cc or under = 200 watts = around 27kph
     
  11. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    Yeah - its pathetic.

    That's what I hate about the current situation - it is real hit and miss. I've be lucky, partly because I've been able to use my bike as a pedal bicycle on bike paths and through build-up areas etc.

    Anyway big question is, any ideas?
     
  12. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    top speed of bike atm with full open throttle is 39kph..which I definately wasn't doing
    I am in the process of complying with 200watt and getting dyno test printout to prove.
    I'll also let my local MP know. I think that a speed limit of 30kph is all that is needed.Better that than no motor at all..which I think is their objective.
     
  13. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    I have been in contact with RTA last year, and their project to review power-assisted bicycles in conjunction with Australian Bicycle Council definitely does not bicycles over 200 watts or 300 watts (tentatively proposed).

    I believe that the only avenue open is regulation as a motor vehicle.
     
  14. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    That's excellent. We can whinge until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, we've got to get political.

    I conduction a brief petition at a Sustainable Living Expo in Hobart in November 2008 and got 80 signatures. A local scooter-riding MP took it to Tasmanian Parliament. The experience proved that that there actually is potentially alot of support for the idea of Light Motorized Bicycles.

    I'll find the text of the petition and post it.
     
  15. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    I don't think they want them as motor vehicles...too many inspections as each bike is different..I think they'll offer electric as consolation but ban petrol altogether..unless lobbying for speed limit throws a spanner in their works. I think I can make a bike that'll comply even if it performs extremely poorly .. it's a challenge .I'm bout to fill muffler with steel scrubbers modify carby and someone suggested a low pass filter..which may be the best idea yet (low pass filter on the CDI)
     
  16. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    Here is the text:

    Your petitioners pray that:
    the Tasmanian Government instigate a review of transportation regulations that currently prohibits registration and use of motorized bicycles on a public street or a road-related area in Tasmania; and
    the environmental, economic and sustainability merits of motorized bicycles may be such that this matter be given urgent consideration.

    It strikes me that we could run an Australia-wide E-petition. I think the big problem would be getting enough people to know about it to sign it. If it was big enough, then it Could attract media attention.

    At present the Motorized Bike community is too fragmented and transient, so it would be difficult to get the numbers and to agree to a legislative framework.
     
  17. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    TransportSA passed me on to Australian standars office where the guy was quite hostile in opposition to MBs. In response to dyno test he said not acceptable as not measuring from engine..and that no petrol engine was capable of 200 watts .. I mentioned rotary .. and that there was no real other way of measuring output .. also mentioned scooters limited to 50kph and semi trailers to 100kph .. he jeered so what...you want us to let you ride down the street with a V8 strapped to your bike limited to 200 watts output ??
    That is the type of mentality we face .. also people who have seen bikes do over 60kph
    A more responsible image is necessary.
     
  18. HybriPed

    HybriPed Member

    You see, the problem is that:
    Cyclists are happy with bicycles
    Motorcyclists are happy with motorcycles
    Noone rides a legal Australian moped because they are a waste of space.

    Every on-road vehicle, except for cycles must comply with an Australian motor vehicle Design Rule, or ADR. I think that there would be buckley's chance of creating a vehicle classification that did not have an ADR.

    However, I don't see any reason why there could not be a numbers of ADRs for vehicles betwen bicycle and moped. For example, what about a power-assisted tricycle? A vehicle like that could be very important for an senior person looking sustainable transport.
     
  19. jahmonn

    jahmonn New Member

    My advice for defending use of motorised bikes is taking the well trodden path and showing their history .. then showing a modern bike that's economical,quieter,and somehow a way of showing speeds can be regulated. Not forgetting to add that ordinary pushbikes are designed to do the speeds they are doing (brakes tyres and safety helmet)
     
  20. HybriPed

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    You can't expect anyone in the regulatory side of things to tell you anything other than what the regulations say.

    This is a political issue, but trying to find political friends is like trying to shake hands with an adversary holding a sword. However, I must say that I commend your persistence.

    Tell me, do you think that you would like to have a long-term interest in motorized bikes, or do you think you'll move on - maybe to motorcycles?
     
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