Frustration with cops... [in the UK]

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by JemmaUK, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    So, I am minding my own business riding home from some medical tests I had to have - including an ECG - and find out this police car has been following me.

    I get lectured about it being illegal and take that quietly - I get told bikes cant do 30mph under pedal power - and take that quietly too. Since I have been told by a police officer from the same force that its legal.. and I know for a fact a bike can make 30mph because I have done it myself.

    I then get told the bike is illegal... when TWICE I have been told by essex police officers that its perfectly ok to use on the road and does *not* need insurance or a licence since it is a pushbike, albeit one with an engine..

    I didnt get any ticket or anything although this cop says he's gonna report me and I might get a summons.. I just wish the little a**holes would get their facts straight... either its legal or illegal. More to the point I dont know whether he was just baiting me or he was being serious..

    It probably didnt help I guess that a spoke chewed itself which is why I stopped to see what had broken..

    My mental state at the moment is bad enough as it is, without getting this dumped on me as well.. not to mention the sidekick was abusive. :-x

  2. graucho

    graucho Active Member

    I feel for you my MB sister. Is there anyway you can get something signed by a city official/cop/ saying its Ok, and carry it with you when riding. Or a pocket recorder in your pocket when talking to the cops that said it's OK to ride. :???:
  3. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    we are sorry to hear about the stop by the pooolice

    the best part was -- at least this time -- no ticket

    I hope that the dreaded stop does not happen here

    but just in case -- got my paper work and ready to go to court -- if needed...

    we wish to keep on -- riding those THINGS
  4. BSA

    BSA Guest

  5. fastboy9

    fastboy9 Member

    I know, I wish one day we could just ride without having to worry about the police. I think your much more likely to get away with a rack mounted engine over a frame mounted engine. I just try to avoid the police as much as I can.

    I read about the disabled bit as well! Brilliant, just pretend your asthmatic, and a small engine makes it adapted for an invalid.

    Not much we can do though :(
    But if you can get proof of a copper saying its legal then really it is like a get out of jail free card, and you should be ok, (photocopy me one! ;))

  6. BSA

    BSA Guest

    Don't forget about your arthuritus, I've got that aswell funnily enough ;)

  7. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    I have spinal injuries and knee problems...

    The trouble is I have a little extra problem that makes me a perfect target for discrimination and more hassle.

    I dont know whether I am going to get a summons but I cant see i have done anything wrong since I have been riding around the town for over two years without any hassle.. having been told that by a traffic cop that the machine is legal..

    I am considering calling the local police station and making an official complaint. Good or bad idea?

    Jemma xx
  8. BSA

    BSA Guest

    it's perfectly legal for you to use your bike. Print out section 5 paragraph 18 on this:
    and show it to any police officers.

    Wishing you the best of luck

  9. NunyaBidness

    NunyaBidness Member

    I'm sure it's just like it is here in Memphis TN, there's not a police officer I've met and talked to on my motor bike that DOES know the laws concerning a motorized bicycle.
    A cop was in the pawn shop that my motor bike buddy CrazyGringo's family owns and he was looking at our motor bikes, he said "yeah that's nice and you don't even have to have a license since it's less than 50cc's". There's two things in that statement he was wrong about. In Tennessee you DO have to have a valid drivers license to operate a motorized bicycle and the second thing, it IS more than 50cc's, granted not much seeing as it's a HT so called 80cc but still it is more than 50cc's.
    ah the stories I could tell about cops and my motor bike.
    I always try to remember to keep a smile on my face as I talk to the 'nice' officer. It seems when I have done that, all the cop wants to do really is get a closer look at the cool bike. Guess I've been lucky so far.
  10. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    The police in this situation have created the emnity themselves. I was prepared for a while to give them the benefit of the doubt. No more, and after what resulted from that situation, which was nothing of my doing, I will be nailing that complaint home in any way shame or form I can make stick.
  11. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    To update:...

    I have today talked with the local police and informed them that my cycle is legal and under what legal basis.. I have also informed them if the other related matter is not sorted to my satisfaction that I will be enquiring into legal recourse.

    Jemma xx
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  12. ZnsaneRyder

    ZnsaneRyder Member

    Stand up to the man!!!

    Good job Jemma!!!
  13. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    well - that sounds good Jemma - to stand up for yourself that is
    but - as far as the legal recourse
    at least here in the states - there would be next to none...
    once in the grip of the system
    it is usually a good thing - if we can just get out and on our way

    have a nice weekend as you ride that motor bike THING
  14. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    I've not been happy with the local police for a while.. the 7th was the straw that broke the camels back.

    Today I was cycling down the road.. and what do I hear? traffic cop in a Mondeo pulls me up and gets out to have a chat...

    Looked the bike over and actually listened to what I said to him. I walked him through it... he was surprised to see it was belt drive. showed him the upgraded brakes and lighting etc and he seemed perfectly happy with it. The only thing he said was the siting of the exhaust might be a risk to 'the public' - and the location and material of the fuel tank. When I mentioned there were UK companies making a similar product and it was under british law that I was riding he had no issues at all. Even though he'd been following me up the road at 28-30mph..

    He took details of the legal standing I have for it and seemed perfectly accepting... was perfectly courteous and friendly and to be honest I wouldnt be surprised if he had been dying to try it out since apparently he's a motorcyclist himself.

    I will still be sending a written complaint to the local traffic cops...

    On the downside we had an attack of the idiots today... 280ML driver decided that because I was doing 29mph he'd overtake me and give me dirty looks while almost hitting a car coming the other way!

    Jemma xx
  15. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Might Cause A Large Backfire !!!


    if you send this said letter
    make sure that you are more than legal on ALL GROUNDS
    letters such as that don't go over that well with the pooolice


    could end up making it very hard to ride that MB thing
  16. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    So far as the bike is concerned its legal...

    So far as the other (and more serious) offense they committed.. I know that law backwards, sideways and frontwards because I have to..

    Frankly its not the bike situation that bothers me... its the way I was treated by those individuals which was backed up by the completely different attitude of the officer today.

    I've been giving the police the benefit of the doubt... but after the way those two treated me I think they need to understand that the laws apply to them too.

    Jemma xx
  17. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    UK companies... these are ILLEGAL under UK law


    Methinks I spoke too soon... cop from this morning just was on the phone and put very basically ANY MB is illegal on UK roads unless you get SVA for it, plus insurance and a full face helmet.

    The excise act doesnt cover it because its not under the list of what is covered.. notwithstanding the fact that it passes the requirements to the letter.

    so I might as well be in prison, because I cant afford buses at the moment, or in the near future and cant really walk that far... I just love the UK legal system.

    Jemma xx
  18. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    it's time to get a doctors perscription for you MB riding

    a doctors note in many cases does carry weight

    we all hope that you will be able to ride that thing
  19. SimpleSimon

    SimpleSimon Active Member

    Jemma, I just read the Excise Act, Schedule 2. I'm no lawyer, and I'm not offering legal advice, but it looks to me like you have two choices - 1) go electric; or 2) obtain the required disability certification.

    Schedule 2 does not specifically list every vehical which qualifies for exemption, it lists classes or types of vehicles - see sections 18-20. I do not know if you personally would qualify as "disabled" for purposes of the Act, but if you do you might perhaps seek SoS exemption by order in council application.

    Here in the States, trailers are seperate "vehicals" legally from the vehical doing thje towing. If the law is similar there (I'd bet it is), then put a gas powered generator on a small trailer, and an electric motor on the bike, and thumb your nose at the cops. I'd bet bicycle trailers do not require registration, and ALL electric vehicals are exempt so long as they do not have onboard the source of the electricity (other than batteries). The trailer is a seperate vehicle, after all.

    Good luck.
  20. JemmaUK

    JemmaUK Guest

    Doesnt look like that is going to work.. and to be honest I have no money to make changes to the bike... not to mention I have to find a way to get it somewhere 30 miles away to have it SVA'd (which will probably result in stupid requirements, assuming they dont test the thing to destruction).

    About the only thing I could do is sell it and since its not legal, Im pretty much stuck.

    What I could do... is set the engine to a generator and thence to a controller and front electric hub motor which requires money I dont have and me and electricity have never mixed well. since the drive train would be petrol-electric with the electric motor providing the drive.. that would make it sort of legal..

    I dont think the trailer thing will work since they'll likely find something to stop that too and my tools/skills arent up to something like that.

    I think to be honest its a case of "we are gonna make money out of you no matter what"..

    So I have a choice... be able to live my life and have some limited ability to get places such as the doctors surgery and to get food... and get charged by the police for that...

    Or just give the whole thing up.. because I know what happens when I end up stuck in a dingy flat all day.. and so do at least 4 local paramedics (clinical depression)...

    Dont you just love the system?