Thanks Bob, good advice. Mine have been close a few times, especially the friction drive bike. I think some of us have a good feel of our MBs, some others do not, but are learning from guys like you. I have developed the feel of how an engine is doing. Now I need a tach. The new GEBE drive bike has hit 35mph down a hill, the Robin was screaming a happy song, but no stock 4 stroke engine will tolerate that sort of extreme rpm for long.