Scratch build bike. Ideas?

TobiasKilroy · Jul 25, 2015

KCvale said:
No it doesn't list prices or retailers.

That is the page for Wholesale buyers and approved Distributors.
Nobody in the states carries those wheels in 26" I know of yet, but I may stock a set or two once I get my sales site up and stocked.

Uhhh, thnx. Is there a timeline for that?

HeadSmess · Jul 25, 2015

KCvale said:
No it doesn't list prices or retailers.
That is the page for Wholesale buyers and approved Distributors.
Nobody in the states carries those wheels in 26" I know of yet, but I may stock a set or two once I get my sales site up and stocked.

*shudders at the cost to deliver to au*

recall someone quoting a sachs rim... ended up buying a new bike complete for less. and the busted one we chopped up for some bizarre reason... be cheaper looking at wheels off something like cbr125's...

The_Aleman · Jul 25, 2015

TobiasKilroy said:
That's cool. Can you quote section and paragraph so I can look it up?

The law I posted the link to was the definition of "motorized bicycle" which doesn't need to be registered ever.
According to the definition a motorized bike is limited to 4 brake horsepower regardless of engine size, and limited to 30mph.

I'm not going to be bothered looking through sections and paragraphs, it's just not worth my time to verify something I already know is a fact.
typical outdated link to DMV's motorcycle page: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/motorcycles/motorcycles

butterbean said:
Now do they require insurance or inspection with that plate?

No. In Cali we pretty much just need a plate and a helmet to satisfy the cops. Whether that helmet is a DOT-approved or a bicycle helmet is kind of a grey area.
The DMV says we just need a bicycle helmet. The cops who enforce these things the most (in Orange County, Southern Cali) say we need DOT-approved.

From 2008-2013 I never had a problem with Cali cops while wearing a non-DOT helmet. Most of the time they just wave and smile at me as they pass by.
However, I've now been wearing a DOT helmet for the last 2 years. The funny thing is I still do not have a plate. I live across the street from a local cop, too.

Having been riding these in 3 different states for the past 9 years, it's been my experience that staying under 30, always being on the RHS of the road (NEVER ride on left),
ghost pedaling and wearing a helmet, using proper hand signals - cops will almost always leave one alone. I've been followed and pulled over, but not ticketed yet.

TobiasKilroy · Jul 26, 2015

The_Aleman said:
I'm not going to be bothered looking through sections and paragraphs, it's just not worth my time to verify something I already know is a fact.

I'm not arguing with you (contrary to my previously norm), I want to print it out from the official source.

troyg · Jul 26, 2015

TobiasKilroy said:
I'm not arguing with you (contrary to my previously norm), I want to print it out from the official source.

I see a pattern.It has been referred to on this site many times, search the site in the appropriate sections, do your own legwork.

jhammondcpa · Jul 26, 2015

You need a Certificate of Origin if it is a purchased bike to get an ORV tag in Maryland which costs 6% of the bikes value when registering and insurance. It cost me $120 to get on the road and another $200 for the annual insurance. The only good news is that you get to use the Bike Paths and any road with a posted speed limit of less than 50 mph, with helmet and goggles. It's still worth it! The sad news it that if the engine has more than 50CC or goes faster than 30MPH you get kicked into the Motorcycle class!

TobiasKilroy · Jul 26, 2015

troyg said:
I see a pattern.It has been referred to on this site many times, search the site in the appropriate sections, do your own legwork.

Why is it unreasonable to request people site their sources?
You must cite your sources on a college research paper, you must site your sources in an academic journal. So why on an internet forum where there exists no guarantee of receiving correct information is it deemed rude to ask that people site the source of their knowledge?

Now yes, I am currently "doing my own legwork" but I still ask for one very specific reason.
I have zero confidence in my ability to find the answer I seek. Ever.

TobiasKilroy · Jul 26, 2015

"http://dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d1

Motorcycle

400. (a) A "motorcycle" is a motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider, designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground.

(b) A motor vehicle that has four wheels in contact with the ground, two of which are a functional part of a sidecar, is a motorcycle if the vehicle otherwise comes within the definition of subdivision (a).

(c) A farm tractor is not a motorcycle.

(d) A three-wheeled motor vehicle that otherwise meets the requirements of subdivision (a), has a partially or completely enclosed seating area for the driver and passenger, is used by local public agencies for the enforcement of parking control provisions, and is operated at slow speeds on public streets, is not a motorcycle. However, a motor vehicle described in this subdivision shall comply with the applicable sections of this code imposing equipment installation requirements on motorcycles.

Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 672, Stats. 2008. Effective January 1, 2009.

Motor-Driven Cycle

405. A "motor-driven cycle" is any motorcycle with a motor that displaces less than 150 cubic centimeters. A motor-driven cycle does not include a motorized bicycle, as defined in Section 406.
Amended Ch. 1359, Stats. 1990. Effective January 1, 1991.
Amended Ch. 928, Stats. 1991. Effective October 14, 1991.
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 342, Stats. 1995. Effective January 1, 1996.

Motorized Bicycle

406. (a) A "motorized bicycle" or "moped" is ( )1 a two-wheeled or three-wheeled device having fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power, or having no pedals if powered solely by electrical energy, and an automatic transmission and a motor ( )2 that produces less than ( )3 4 gross brake horsepower and is capable of propelling the device at a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on level ground.

(b) A "motorized bicycle" is also a device that has fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power and has an electric motor that meets all of the following requirements:

(1) Has a power output of not more than 1,000 watts.

(2) Is incapable of propelling the device at a speed of more than 20 miles per hour on ground level.

(3) Is incapable of further increasing the speed of the device when human power is used to propel the motorized bicycle faster than 20 miles per hour.

(4) Every manufacturer of motorized bicycles, as defined in this subdivision, shall provide a disclosure to buyers that advises buyers that their existing insurance policies may not provide coverage for these bicycles and that they should contact their insurance company or insurance agent to determine if coverage is provided.

(c) The disclosure required under paragraph (4) of subdivision (b) shall meet both of the following requirements:

(1) The disclosure shall be printed in not less than 14-point boldface type on a single sheet of paper that contains no information other than the disclosure.

(2) The disclosure shall include the following language in capital letters:

"YOUR INSURANCE POLICIES MAY NOT PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR ACCIDENTS INVOLVING THE USE OF THIS BICYCLE. TO DETERMINE IF COVERAGE IS PROVIDED YOU SHOULD CONTACT YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY OR AGENT."
Amended Sec. 1, Ch. 406, Stats. 2014. Effective January 1, 2015.
The 2014 amendment added the italicized material, and at the point(s) indicated, deleted the following:
1. "any"
2. "which"
3. "2"

http://dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/vctop/vc/d3/c1/a1

Motorized Bicycles

4020. A motorized bicycle operated upon a highway is exempt from registration.

Added Ch. 987, Stats. 1975. Effective January 1, 1976."

Conclusion: A motorized bicycle is exempt from registration and insurance requirements. A motor driven cycle is not.

@troyg I don't know that this is the answer I seek.

troyg · Jul 26, 2015

TobiasKilroy said:
Why is it unreasonable to request people site their sources?
You must cite your sources on a college research paper, you must site your sources in an academic journal. So why on an internet forum where there exists no guarantee of receiving correct information is it deemed rude to ask that people site the source of their knowledge?

Now yes, I am currently "doing my own legwork" but I still ask for one very specific reason.
I have zero confidence in my ability to find the answer I seek. Ever.

Asking for a little help is fine,
you've asked people here to do your google searches,
people to find parts for you,
people to find laws for you, all when you don't
even have a clear idea what you intend to build.That's not rude, it's lazy.
Most people come here, reading the whole site, for years
before they even ask the first question.
Effort is required to get better at anything, saying "this is my reality"
and "I'm crap at finding anything" is code for "I don't want to, you do it for me",
I'll bet it alludes to what I'm saying in the forum rules.
This is not a thesis, this is an encylopedia, thumb through it
it won't make you break a sweat, I promise.

TobiasKilroy · Jul 28, 2015

Yes what I'm about to say will be taken badly and nobody wants to hear it or believe it, but I'm not mature enough yet to not say it.

I never once even wanted anyone to perform any sort of Internet search. All I was asking what that people simply post the knowledge/sites that they already knew about.

I may be a millennial but I'm old school. I'd rather get my information from live people rather than unthinking machines.

@kcvale. As loathe as I am to admit it you are correct regarding the Worksman cycle. The frame is not big enough for a 4-stroke. But the customer service rep recommended this as an alternative: http://worksmancycles.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/flyer-by-sportsman.html

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