fuel efficiency of HT vs other more advanced engines

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iron_monkey

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Im wondering if the basic nature of the happytime carbs means much less fuel efficiency compared to other more advanced 2 stroke engines.

The carbs of your average garden trimmer 2 stroke seem far more complicated than the carbs used on HTs. What are these advancements and are they meant for more power and/or fuel efficiency?
 
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Probably more for emissions control than anything...

My HT 67cc/44T sprocket gets a measured 140mpg, so I'm happy with it.
 

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2 strokes are relatively inefficien due to fact that a substantial amount of unburnt fuel is spit out the exhaust.
 
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Well.. Here is some info for you on Fuel...

The GT motors use gravity feed carbs with floats. Since the GT "good times" or HT "Happy Time" motors "I prefer GT ", Since these GT motors have gravity feed carbs with floats , they must be run in a more upright and level position. Since the GT motors are port piston valving type with small intake and exhaust ports, they are very efficient getting an average of 110 to 120 mpg city using a bicycle with a 200lb rider. This is typical. Using the New EPA Approved Black Cat exhaust mix 40:1 coupled with the new improved more precise GT engine and AMS oil synthetic, they burn super clean and last longer and are more reliable. Exhaust BLack Cat exhaust system does get hotter but is still away from user and should pose no problems. The "Black Cat" is engineered in such a way that the Cat is buffered center with volumetric Free Air Resonace Buffer around it thus lowering the surface temp of the Black Cat Perimeter to remain cooler. But..But.. This outer shell or Perimeter will still be much much hotter than the normal non Cat Chrome mufflers. Do not touch it ! It is hot for sure !! The Benefit of the Black Cat is two fold, 1 it meets EPA Approval by burning all unspent fuel, and 2 it makes the motor more quiet. Since the Black Cat has a large Valence, performance is not compromised. The New Black Cats are coming on line. Long Term testing is under way and so far engineering looks good and the Black Cat looks good too. IT just gets better and better.

Ok.. Now then.. As for some of the Weed eater type motors, some of them, not all, use a Diaphragm type Carburetor. These carbs are on a closed loop system and can be held in any position and the motor continues to run. It does not help efficiency or emissions properties. It is simply a function of positional run.

To sum things up, The engines, both GT and 4 strokers are getting better and better. Efficiency is super , reliability is great for all of our little motors and this is a good thing since talk about 12 dollar a gallon gas is real and Global warming is then the follow up subject. Help !!! IF gas goes to 12 dollars a gallon, 150 miles to a gallon of gas bicycle will cost the same as filling up a Ford Excursion now !!! Yes.. I know..It costs more than 3usd to fill an Excursion. But just because we have a bike that can go over 100 miles to the gallon , we still need Help !!!
 
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duivendyk

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Not all 2 strokes are created equal the Mitsu. 43cc has a neat induction system in which a slug of clean air is first intoduced into the cylinder to help clearing out the burnt gases,followed by the actual charge.Thus very little unburnt HC's and oil escape into the atmosphere resulting in improved economy and much reduced pollution.All 2 strokes should be required adopt such a system,it's not complicated (just an extra reed valve and an extra air intake) and does not affect performance at all.
 
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BSA

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Not all 2 strokes are created equal the Mitsu. 43cc has a neat induction system in which a slug of clean air is first intoduced into the cylinder to help clearing out the burnt gases,followed by the actual charge.Thus very little unburnt HC's and oil escape into the atmosphere resulting in improved economy and much reduced pollution.All 2 strokes should be required adopt such a system,it's not complicated (just an extra reed valve and an extra air intake) and does not affect performance at all.

Not so easy if your engine doesn't have reed valves at all.

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duivendyk

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This is not your standard intake reed valve in the carb input circuit,it's located (I think) in the transfer passage,to admit clean air.It's definitely a different design,you cannot retrofit it,but it works quite well and reduces pollution a lot.
 
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