does federal law superced state and local?

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  1. locoWelder

    locoWelder Guest

    does federal law superseed state and local?

    ????? :sad: ?????

  2. Tom

    Tom Active Member

    Well if you get caught by the cops or anyone who works for the state, and go to state court, you are under state laws. If you get caught by the "feds" you go to federal court and "federal" laws apply...
  3. davidsis

    davidsis Guest

    Fed and state laws

    The federal gov can make a law and then the state can make laws that are more strict. Then you have to think about local law enforcement county police what is legal in that county then you have city police local ordanances and things. What is legal in the city limits
  4. thatsdax

    thatsdax Guest

    It does not matter what the Law is....

    It matters not... Cops do what they want no matter what the law is.. So..Be cool around cops..
  5. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    Re: It does not matter what the Law is....

    I second that motion
    the local police here (town and reservation...we live beside a big res) have stopped me n azvinnie 3 times, after we explained the law that they weren't aware of, and observing us being responsible riders, just wave and ride on by now :D 8)
  6. davidsis

    davidsis Guest


    I wonder if it would be a good idea to flea and elude the police on a motorized bicycle. LOL, worlds slowest high speed chase.
  7. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    The answer is "sometimes" (that's the kind of incisive analysis they taught in law school).

    This is an issue of preemption, that is, does a federal law "preempt" the state law?

    There is no one easy answer. If the specific federal law is designed to fully regulate the subject matter, then no state law more strict can be enforced and the federal laws are all that can apply. An example of this would be prescription drug approval. The FDA regulations are designed such that if a drug goes through the process and is approved, the drug is held to be safe and effective. A state law (or even lawsuit) cannot declare it otherwise. The only claim that can then be made against the drug manufacturer is that it was manufactured incorrectly (was not in compliance with what the feds approved) or that information was concealed from the feds in the approval process that would have affected the outcome. If the state wants a federally approved drug off the shelf- too bad.

    A second kind of law would be a federal law is designed to provide an "outer limit", but leaving the door open for state regulation. In that case, the state laws can govern as long as they do not directly conflict with federal law. An example would be bumper heights on trucks. The feds set a range, but the state can set a narrower range because the feds have left that door open.

    There is no way to tell which, if either, of these types of law you are dealing with without reading the text of the law itself. The law must expressly preempt state law or the federal law will be assumed to be an "outer limit".

    ...and then there's the issue of whether a given federal law was within Congress' power to begin with. Whether the law comes from Congress or from a federal agency (which is created by Congress), Congress must have been given the authority to make the type of law at issue in the Constitution. If Congress does not have the power, the law is invalid and cannot be enforced no matter what the text of the law says.

    By the way- it does not matter who catches you doing whatever you do- any law enforcement officer can arrest you for a violation of an applicable law, federal or state, no matter what agency the officer is from.
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  8. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    or...for a perceived or personally-interpreted "violation"...once he's done with you, he moves on and leaves you to sort it out in court :roll:

    best bet, mind your manners and behave as if fully legal at all times...2nd best bet, don't argue with the cop, that's a waste of breath...take your case to the judge and be as informed as you can be...we have to more clearly define this gray-area, someone's gotta go first & i sure hope it ain't me :shock:

    HoughMade, i seriously appreciate your informed input, and i'm sure others do also :cool:
  9. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    agreed...excellent post !!! :cool:
  10. HoughMade

    HoughMade Guest

    Always good advice.
  11. turbo/chaos

    turbo/chaos Guest

    bigets and translucint pigs of a greed and power hungry race of ill natuerd mutts who fund a way to rule us all no right at all they dont let the lil person make what is right so we dont have money buy remember we have the mass in people and size
  12. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    eventually, yes, i do believe enough people will rally around something they all have in common...

    rif said it, i like it: let the solution be the revolution :cool:
  13. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    I have found that 'the man' doesn't seem to like it when you are better informed about the law than he is
    I have a BAD habit of arguing with anyone who is mis-informed
    (thank god for vinnie jumping in to take the heat off me)
    now... they know we're cool, and leave us alone
  14. Jim H

    Jim H Guest

    It's humble pie all the way concerning police; I like my teeth right where they are!
  15. Interesting question...I don't know if there is a federal law regarding seat height on motorized vehicles BUT the City Of Charlottesville passed an ordinance to ban (well make illegal) motorized vehicles with a seat height less than 24" from the ground
    (Pocket bikes became very popular here for a bit but the city wanted them off the streets even tho they were less than 50 CC)...
    Maybe the City overstepped their boundaries by being stricter (again I don;t know all the fed laws except the 50 CC rule)?