announcement of illegal and non-EPA engines

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by spunout, Jul 21, 2008.

  1. spunout

    spunout Member

    he said:"Many people have complained about illegal and non-EPA kits. People are bashing and threatening suspected vendors and customers. This behavior needs to stop."
    ok, that i can agree with.
    "If you strongly believe that all kits should be legal and EPA certified, go about reforming the industry in a positive way.

    Support vendors selling EPA engines."
    that's do-able. all day long.
    "Report suspected EPA violators to the proper authorities.
    Let the authorities punish the violators."
    WHAT!?!?:shock::eek::-x. You're talking about basically 'calling the cops' on somebody. Nobody likes a snitch.:-x:-x
    Furthermore, as motoredbikers, we run into problems with Johnny Law as it is. Why draw more attention, and create more strife than we already face?
    And you can't say this is all about the vendors. Because with EPA-all-the-way attitudes, what's next? having to take your bike thru emmisions? what if it fails? are you going to have to carry a certificate? are they going to pull us over to check?
    this really torques me, Tom. you're asking people to RAT on other people, who although may be selling non-EPA kits, thats THEIR business. why do you want to stick you nose in somebody elses life and make things harder for them? isnt life tough enough?

    "Do Not:
    Buy from vendors selling non-EPA or illegal products.
    Publicly post your opinions about specific vendors.
    Contact vendors directly to let them know your opinion."
    those are all good, if thats what you want.

    "Do Not:Try to take matters into your own hands." wait a second...didnt you just tell people to report violators? i know you probably meant don't bust into Bob's Smoggy Bike Motors and repo his stuff, but it would have the same results. by doing so, you're changing somebody's life. do you understand the significance of such an impact?

    to everyone: in short, if you feel strongly about using only EPA approved kits, thats your business and you're welcome to it.
    what I do, and what I'M using is MY business. stay the **** out of it.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2008

  2. Madwack

    Madwack Member


    I like to smoke

    lots people dont like it butt(hehe), Its my business.....i pay for it

    Same thing

    I totally get it

    U know when those do gooders are done with canada selling smokes is worse then selling Pot....u should see our stores here..So Sad...junk food is next...yip they wanna TAX junk food now...LOL.


    all u do gooders...just FOff...and mind yer own bissnesssss

    and ill mind mine



  3. wayde

    wayde Guest

    how do you know who is selling epa approved stuff anyways are we to take their word for it

    is there even an epa requirement in canada
  4. arceeguy

    arceeguy Active Member

    EPA just covers the USA.

    While I don't agree with turning in vendors and importers to the authorities if you think they may be selling non-compliant bicycle engines, this forum is provided to us free of cost, and if the admins want to encourage that behavior, it is their house. They didn't say that we have to turn people in, but I do find it a little surprising that this is their stance. It is your personal choice whether you purchase an engine kit that may not meet emission standards.

    Truth is that even a "legal" EPA compliant Mitsubishi or Tanaka two stroke is probably not legal if you follow the letter of the law. I'm pretty sure that the EPA compliance sticker is valid for an engine that is not used for "on road" purposes. In other words, a Mitsu TLE-43 may be legal for an edger, but not a motorized bike because emissions for "on road" engines may be more strict. As I've stated before, I think the EPA should relax the standards a little and not be so strict - but if you're a real boy scout, motorized bikes in any form may be illegal. (remember, my scenario is hypothetical and not based in fact!) The fragmentation of the MB community on this issue is not a good thing though.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2008
  5. spunout

    spunout Member

    Adios, everyone. :(
    Up 'til now it's been alot of fun here. :lol:
    But I will not be part of a dictatorship. :yuck:
  6. Man oh man. spunout you'll be missed.

  7. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Don't see any reason for anyone to be a leaving -- but as we know -- freedom of choice USA --- let's keep it as close to FREE as we can !! I wouldn't want to buy an engine that was not Calif approved.. If I bought one knowing that it was not approved - that's on me... If on the other hand someone told me that it was and wasn't - shame shame - on them.... Happy Riding from - Mountainman
  8. wayde

    wayde Guest

    If the epa just covers the usa and there is no emissions program for motorcycles in canada one would be lead to believe that there is no restrictions on these motors in canada either........right???
  9. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Wade, you would have to check with the authorities in Canada. I'm sure that there is some manner of environment protection there. Just don't know what it would be called.
  10. stringer

    stringer New Member

    narcs are totally :-x
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 22, 2008
  11. turbo/chaos

    turbo/chaos Guest

    well if lil punks have to narc then go for it but remember karma comes back hard but make sure when you do narc you better not be findable
  12. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Find me? I'll give you my address. Remember, 26 year military vet here. If you think you can stand the heat, bring it on.
  13. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    Zev0, as an senior/respected member, shouldn't you be keeping this kind of stuff in check ...
    instead of starting/encouraging it ?
    is that why you are no longer a moderator ?
  14. wayde

    wayde Guest

    i personally think everyone needs to relax a bit around here those that can afford the expensive legal motors buy them those who can only afford the cheap illegal motors buy them BUT they all have the same love for motored bikes and this forum. With that being said i hope we don't lose some more valued members over this
  15. Zev0

    Zev0 Member

    Bill, I just don't like threats. And very capable of handling anything that comes my way.
    I am no longer a moderator by MY choice. Not anyone elses.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2008
  16. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    I'll stir the pot: This nation was built on the rule of law. If someone violates the law and it becomes known to you, it is your responsibility of a member of our society to do something about it.

    I've got no problem on people reporting illegal activity such as importing engines that are not EPA compliant.

    You shouldn't have to worry about being "narced on" if you aren't doing anything wrong. If you are doing something wrong, it is your fault and not the fault of the person who brought it to the attention of authorities.

    ZEVO, thanks for the links.
  17. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    I don't like being looked down on by ANYBODY
    Zev0 and wavy have both bought HT's but now, they seem to think their gebe's are the end all-be all
    too bad, I USED to think better of them :(
    I am a poor dude and my HT is my only transportation
    don't try to fu*k with it and i won't get my back up
  18. Skyliner70cc

    Skyliner70cc Active Member

    Well...if someone is selectively reporting vendors for ulterior motives or personal gain, then that isn't right either.

    I'm sorry about your situation azbill and hope you find better times ahead. If you ever need any spare parts for your happytime, please let me know. I won't charge you for them and may cover shipping as long as it is reasonable. I've got tons of parts so don't hesitate to ask, ok?

    We are in poorhouse but at least wife is getting unemployment to help with my low residency salary that only covers the rent but not much of else.
  19. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    I am not destitute (but thanx for the offer)
    my point is that I can afford a HT
    I love my ride and don't want anyone jeopardizing it

    PS... I live with my daughter and her family and help with my 2 granddaughters (see avatar)
    I don't work, so the HT is the way to go for me
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2008
  20. Guys. Please don't do this to Zeb0. I don't always agree with everyone here and believe me this has been pretty ongoing with the moderators. But Zeb0 I still think is a cool guy.
    He's not the only one here that wants this done mind you. And it's not my place or anyone's place to point at fingers here.
    The majority is silent. Some sees it one way. Others see it another way.
    As a forum we just don't want to CONDONE anything illegal going on.
    It's just a disclaimer. Nothing more.
    And we asked that Zeb0 not resign.
    He did that on his own.
    So please don't crucify him.
    I still love you,man.