Push to Change California MB Law

Discussion in 'Laws, Legislation & Emissions' started by angus, Mar 26, 2008.

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  1. angus

    angus Guest

    I'm interested in presenting to my California state assemblywoman a proposal to change the laws related to motorized bicycles moving from registration as a moped and a need for M2 license to something far easier than that.

    I've searched threads on our site but did not come across similar efforts.

    Has anyone done this? Is anyone interested in teaming-up to pursue this effort? :?: Thoughts, advice, jeers? :grin:


  2. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    angus -- yes, I would gladly wish to join with you in your efforts.. Ca. needs to loosen UP A LITTLE... May you -- or anyone -- please feel free to contact me. Have a great day, Mountainman
  3. devonjordan

    devonjordan New Member

    i would too...
  4. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    dvonjordan --thank you for your response.. Just starting to get some facts together -- for good old Calif.... there seem to be A LOT OF GREY AREAS !!! Not real sure where to start -- BUT -- gathering of information and with gas prices on our side -- timing could be right !!! Have a good day, from Mountainman
  5. devonjordan

    devonjordan New Member

    For now I'll just ride "illegally." Dont think the cops are going to give me too much trouble...
  6. turkeyssr

    turkeyssr Guest

    The law certainly needs to be clarified. After reading and re-reading, I don't see any listing of license requirements. (Not trying to start a debate; if you have a link let me know) I have a motorcycle license, so this isn't a concern (for me), I would just like to know. Also, it is completely unreasonable to ask that turn signals and a horn be added. This is not something bicycles come with and given the speed restrictions, I see no need given that human power alone can achieve those speeds. Again, I'm not certain that this is a requirement, but should NEVER be.

    Go for it!

    --John (Monterey, CA)
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  7. angus

    angus Guest

    Hey all! Thanks for your responses!

    I've already contacted McClintock's office (...he is the state representative from my area and is also high-up in the transportation sub-committee); his folks told me that they liked the idea of simpler treatment for motorized bicycles and to reconnect with them in the fall when they're readying their legislative plate for 2009).

    In the mean time, if you all would like to help, then we should prepare a simple set of recommendations based on the current situation and a vision for how MBs should be managed.

    Any thoughts?
  8. turkeyssr

    turkeyssr Guest

    Maybe we should start with what the currect situation is? Define it as we know it, utilizing the DMV website, and base our clarifications/recommendations on that.

  9. angus

    angus Guest

    Information on current situation in California

    Here is how the California Highway Patrol (CHP) speak to motorized bicycles (...they are paraphrasing the California vehicle code, I believe...):


    Here is a private website that has dmv information on it and lays out the requirements for mopeds / motorized bicycles in California:


    Note: I believe that both of these sites are showing accurate information; however, I'm not a lawyer! :smile:
  10. akyramoto

    akyramoto Member

    I personally dont think I should have to get another license to operate my motorbike. I ride & obey laws on my reg bicycle so I do the same on the motorbike. They may do this for the fact that I see all kinds of people riding the wrong direction & doing stupid things on bicycles - and that probably would transfer over & make some dangerous motorbiking.
  11. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    angus -- thank you for the added information -- although -- IT HURTS SO BAD !!! Went to the first site mentioned by you CHP going to try the second and keep hoping.. I fall under 406a Ca. and do not have a drivers license --- do have a statement from one agency stating that I can ride gas powered 1.6hp without a drivers license --- were they not thinking ??? Not sure -- that's why I have been digging deeper and deeper... Have a great day, Mountainman
  12. old stuff again

    Mountainman 406a is electric
  13. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Hi Mike -- I apologize for beating the same old bush here... The Motorcycle Handbook 2008 states that 406a can be either a gas or elect. and 406b speaks only in regards to elect... Yes - I admit for obvious reasons I am trying to find a loop hole !!! You have been at this for a long time - I believe that I called you a while back for information -- thank you --- from Mountainman
  14. The poor old bush

    Hi Mountainman. I can guarentee you that what i have learned about this is/or/or still is true. NOW you wanted a loophole am I correct?

    Gather round your shiney screen and I will tell a true tale of a Security Guard, who also wrote my webpage, and his adventure in motor-bicycling in the state CAPITOL where we have State Police, Highway Patrol, City PD and Sherrif's departments where he rides.

    He has no DL, not taken away, is dislexic and has a devil of a time getting the questions answered correctly, even when he knows the answer, and drives correctly.

    He works all odd hours, first riding a 55cc china-bike, then upgrading to a Whizzer. WE figure he got 2-4K out of the china-bike (2 frames, and a LOT of repairs), and 6500 more on the Whizzer in the past 1.5 years, that's a lot of biking!

    Night and day, day and night, high-risk neighborhoods, all kinds of suspicious times and places.


    WHY? Well he claims he paid for license, and never got it, I don't believe that, so he was continually risking that,

    Now, rideing WITH helmet, acting legally, not speeding, doing hand signals, making sure the lights worked et al.

    The trick, IMHO is IF you cannot have a DL, then good-Gawd get everything else in order so you will have no reason to be stopped! Dale spoke to cops on many occasions, but his license was not demanded, as he had done no wrong.

    Plate, Lights, ride legal, ride safe, and, if you have no license, but need to ride, I guess you'll just be taking your chances?

    Dale logged a lot of miles, but stay under the radar, and you can always "ghost Pedal" remember, your profile is bicycle, so if you see officer, move them legs!

    As to someone wanting to try to change the Laws, KNOCK IT OFF! Typically things only get worse! we can live with what we now have, Get a Plate before they go up again!

  15. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    Hi angus -- your contacting Mc Clintock's office -- great start --- it seems from the reading of DMV material in regards to motorized bicycles -- elect. calls for no license requirments -- where as gas under 2hp grey area -- first main goal could be -- the treating of gas and elect. exactly the same.. After all - we are using a very small amount of gas - and should be encouraged in our efforts !!! Happy Riding from - Mountainman
  16. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    I have to agree with Mike.
  17. Mountainman

    Mountainman Active Member

    MotorBikeMike --- I understand what you are saying here... Some GOOD FOOD FOR THOUGHT --- I am going to think this all over for a while -- A MAN IS WHAT HE THINKETH -- thank you from - Mountainman