Buyers & Sellers...Who's in Charge at MBc?

Discussion in 'Dealer Reviews' started by gone_fishin, Jul 18, 2007.

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Who's in charge here at MBc, anyway?

  1. the Seller

  2. the Buyer

  1. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    well, it seems our un-favorite seller has made his presence known yet again...time to clear the air around here. is a gathering of buyers, builders, & riders of motor-assisted-bicycles (motoredbikes), and we do allow sellers to interact with our members but under a strict set of guidelines.

    seems we've gotten the attention of sellers and makers, both on ebay & private websites. that makes sense, because any time enough consumers gather it will have an influence on the market. in the case of the "happy time" industry, that's been a long time overdue. we've seen shady representation of engines and components, extortive shipping practices & charges, and we've been directly attacked here on the forums.

    now, MBc has been threatened by the above mentioned seller with hacking of our site. it's also been mentioned that perhaps a leading importer could force us to comply with a seller's wishes to edit our content to meet his needs.

    so, i ask you, the MBc member & consumer: who's in charge here, anyway?

    and...please, post your feelings on this matter so certain folks finally get the names (yet), they know who they are.

  2. looks like we're having some site difficulty maybe a DDOS attack perpetrated by some simpleton with a grudge.

    site is slowed down and there are many double posts. but good will win out over evil I'm sure :)
  3. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    yeah, phpBB is too vulnerable...if i find out the simpleton has messed with our system, i'll publish his real name, home address and home phone (oh, yeah, we have it) on the new site.

    other forums have a "troll list"'s been suggested maybe MBc should start one, too :x
  4. Just so amazed that someone would try to hijack an impartial community like ours for personal gain, just like big corporations do to our media all the freaking time and they didn't even have the respect to try and bribe you or Tom!?!?!?!?

    ha ha! :evil:

    but yeah we need a asstroll list here for us to point and laugh at.
  5. Papasaun

    Papasaun Guest

    :grin: :grin: :grin:
    Unless the seller / importer / manufacturer is giving out freebies (and I mean big dollar freebies), there ain't no way in heck they can control this site.
    MB.c is mainly consumers working with other consumers. Sellers beware of bad business practices,,,, we spread it by word of mouth, which can be either good or bad, sellers choice!

  6. mickal1025

    mickal1025 Guest

    just let the word get out and we'll hit him in the pocketbook.
  7. drimpact

    drimpact Member


    If the Sherriff needs a posse I am in.
  8. Buyers, sellers and bad eggs

    HI all, I realize that not many of you know me, but I've been in the Motor Bicycle business longer than most. No Importer, nor major business is really involved here, that I can tell, and no one I know would want to bother with the petty concept of trying to "run" a chat board that, for the most part, is full of people so busy with talking about how cheap they got thier stuff, and then complaining about the poor quality of the goods.

    This forum is not a "Ripe market" full of "Easy Pickins" If it were, some of you-all would be riding my frames, and Sam's and a couple of other higher end products that I'm aware of.

    Another example? How many here own more than one Whizzer.......oooppppssss, strike that, how many own A Whizzer? Leather Saddle bags, DOT helmets, High-end control sets, and much much more.

    On another note, no matter how much you may dislike anyone, it is very bad luck most of the time, to ever write anything disparaging about anyone, tho I know that the temptation is there. Remember, if no fowl were ever comitted, it would never need defending. Please realize here that I'm speaking about policies of conduct, not about anything which may, or may not have been said or done.

    One of the reasons I stayed away from here for so long, is that it is very bad business to be involved in the constant discussions of "where can I get the cheapest kit", "look I've only got $379.00 in my new bike and motor" and other such chatter.

    Look for quality, both in the product, and in the vendor. When I was a mechanic for Datsun, the Snap-On truck had a little sign inside that read like this....."We would rather Justify the price, than Apologize for the Quality".

    Aim high, and try to hit a signifigant goal, for if you aim low, you will surely hit your target, and probably not be satisfied with it in the end.

    Ride Straight
  9. srdavo

    srdavo Active Member

    I am in charge of MBc
    just kidding :lol:

    It's gotta be the buyers! thats my vote!

    In defense of our sellers.... our, hell :wink: guys know who you are!! you share with the group, mucho knowledge! & products to boot!!
    thanks guys...for playing fair.

    We are all enthusiasts, or we wouldn't be here!

    the whole buyer/seller idea reminds me of......which came first, the chicken...or the egg?

    It's the rotton eggs that ruin it for everybody!!
  10. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    good stuff, mike. thanks.

    the majority of our topics here (as in several thousand) have nothing whatsoever to do with the cheapness or cost or whatever, but with the mechanical challenges (and FUN) of taking a "toy" and turning it into a practical mode of transportation. i would completely expect (and understand why) sellers would want to avoid the "what's cheapest?" topics, that's exclusively a consumer issue. have you not yourself just announced that you'll be offering the 4-stroke kit? well, brother, be thankful for a bunch of educated consumers who demand, and deserve, a fair shake. hey, the "happy time" is a mainstay, making it possible for the high-end stuff to become a goal of the true enthusiast. who will they buy from if they make that leap? why, sellers who conduct themselves as you do, of course.

    MBc tries very hard to make all riders feel welcome, so long as what they ride has pedals and an engine or motor. we were founded on the "happy time" 2-stroker because there wasn't any support out there for the majority of us. great news is that we luckily stumbled onto something good. i love hearing about the whizzers & i don't even mind the "wish i had one" part of it, as long as noone tries to rub it in that i simply can't afford the best. i'd love to build an e-bike too. personally, i'm grateful there's something i can afford to build and maintain.

    to address the issue of the shady seller: he came here of his own volition, way back before anyone knew anything about him. his first post attacked the group & he was way less than diplomatic about expressing himself. he was eventually banned for obscene content, altho his conduct alone would have justified the move. he then went on a campaign of circumventing our security to keep coming back to post more obscene insults. we eventually had him banned under 5 usernames and lord knows how many email addys & IP addresses. it got so bad we had to ask the leading maker/importer to address this, which he did. when the public spanking began to cost him business, he began to make the threats about hacking our site, so we nicely removed the spanking. that this petty little place could get the attention, and written response, of the industry leader says something about the power of the buyer.

    the dumb*ss came back again yesterday and started the same thing all over again. he's made the bed but doesn't much like lying in it. so here we are.

    hope that clears up MBc's position a bit?

    hear, hear 8)

    any seller who can hang with this motley crew deserves our business, ubetcha! :D
  11. SlicerDicer

    SlicerDicer Guest

    Ohh freebies I like freebies! :grin: :grin:

    But the Buyer "Consumer" is in charge here. The Customer is always right and if the seller does not like it.. Piss off we go elsewhere as always the Customer who is not a sheeple is in charge so yeah.

    Having said that I would rather see more legitimate sellers get involved here. Do not worry we wont bite :)
  12. stowaway

    stowaway Guest


    i was almost about to order a engine off the guy your talking about. thanxs.. look like u saved me a hole lot of trouble
  13. There seems to be a lot of history that I'm not familar with since I'm relatively new here but I feel the buyers are in charge here.

    This site is an excellent site for the discussion of all the MotoredBike setups out there from the expensive down to the home-brewd setups and that makes this site excellent.

    Its not all about one kit here, but more about how to make engine/motor assisted biking work for anyone.There is a wealth of information here that comes from a lot of people who actually have (colllectively) tried what is out there in one way or another, thats how I see it anyway.

    Oh and I'm a middle aged, happily married man that doesnt have any kids to worry about as far as inappropriate net content for kids in house but I love that this site is kept family friendly since that tends to keep things on the subject that these forums are here for and eliminates a lot of useless content.Thank you for that admins.
  14. beast775

    beast775 Guest

    public run and owned

    if anybody is stupid enough to retaliate against hard working information seekers who talk about bicycles i feel really quite sorry for them.if there trying to sell something and this is what theyve done they will sell nothing this stuff spreads like wildfire.i order and install kits for a hobby mostly and keep it fun.i respect the owner and moderators judgement and am 100% on there side.groups always rule especially this one.
  15. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    I believe that the people here are here to help, and be helped
    if a vendor comes here and helps that is fine, but if they come here to trash other vendors or make insulting comments, that is not.
    an honest vendor has no reason to use multiple names when selling the same stuff, nor do they need to try to circumvent our security measures just to hawk their wares
    we have worked hard here to make this forum a good place for people to learn how to install and maintain their motoredbikes, and I for one am happy that others feel the same
    we try to give good advise here based on our own experience and if a vendor feels threatened by us enough to threaten us over it, I feel we are doing our job correctly

    ps...I waited till today to post ,so as to do so with a clear head and not to trash people who need trashing
  16. bamabikeguy

    bamabikeguy Active Member

    When did the "I don't vote in polls" feature disappear ?

    kronic gets my "ditto", sort of like the Utopia envisioned early on, the thing has gotten better because enthused consumers are trading information, and BOGUS gets pounced on like a hen on a junebug.
  17. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    you realize, of course, i'd have been really surprised if that didn't happen...the bait was simply irresisitable, eh?


    bama, i didn't think this one needed it, you'll either vote or not....that's a statement in itself (when paired with "number of views"), i want to see where the community's at on many fronts. new software's about to kick in and it's the perfect time to make some serious decisions.
  18. gone_fishin

    gone_fishin Guest

    :lol: :lol:

    having fun?

    i'm trying to decide if i want to use my personal webspace to publish all the educational material you've been emailing us, verbatim and uncensored...should go a long way towards debunking your "any publicity is good publicity" theory, eh?
  19. azbill

    azbill Active Member

    lemme guess, the 2 are from our un-friend in tucson !!!
    for someone who doesn't seem to like us, he is trying very hard to disrupt our site
    the good thing is, the people here are aware of him, and the way he does business
    now we just have to let the rest of the world know !!!

    only 8 days now !!!
  20. azvinnie

    azvinnie Guest

    augie wrote:
    now, MBc has been threatened by the above mentioned seller with hacking of our site. it's also been mentioned that perhaps a leading importer could force us to comply with a seller's wishes to edit our content to meet his needs.

    wouldn't it be funny if the leading importer, suddenly wasn't the leading importer anymore :shock: . we don't need them as much as they need us, let's not forget how this works :razz: l would tell him(importer) to shove it up his pie hole, along with the dim wit that sells his product. he is not the only person to manufacture these products. the china markets are real cut throat and from what l have read, there are about 7 factories that make these engines, so, who does he think he is comming here making demands. sorry but l'd have bitch slap'em really hard. he has no business telling this site what it can and can not post. what we tell people is the truth, since we had to find out the hard way ourselves. buyer is allways right. 8)