They've been all over the place for me. Seems to depend a lot on the gasket material used and what factory made it, and what style jug the engine was made for. I've had some that were sweet right out of the box, just a light cleaning of slag, and some that were like rocks till you opened them up. I have the numbers for CDH somewhere, well the jugs I get from them. I'd have to find my note book. I usually just raise the base up an extra 1- 1.5 mm with a gasket, and deck the top. They run real hard that way, CDH engines. Been a while since I seen the numbers, just been sticking with what worked really well to make torque.